Yes, it snows more when it's cold (updated December 28 2020)

It snows more when it is cold

It snows more when it's cold

"it snows more when it is cold"

"It snows more when it's cold"

In other news, it snows less when it's warm.

This post was to have at least one single page that states this clearly.   Before I posted it, there were no hits for the phrase, "It snows more when it's cold."

I'm not kidding.

While researching this, (which sounds ludicrous, but it's true), I was surprised to find, that according to the PRISM US data analysis, the snow anomalies actually match the annual temperature anomalies.  Not just the cold season temperatures.

For example

This post led to the creation of a blog, simply about this.  After a year it still does not show up in any search engine.  lol

https://itsnowsmorewhenitiscold.blogspot.com/

US cooled more than global temperatures

Newspaper

realclimate

A most gloomy view of world weather trends has emerged

A most gloomy view of world weather trends has emerged from the Central Intelligence Agency. The report was made public, with CIA permission, by the House Agriculture Committee to force decision makers in government to come to grips with what some committee members feel is a serious problem. Says one, “we must no longer accept with blind faith the notion that food production will continue to increase and climates will remain stable.”

The CIA “working paper contends that the global climate is cooling after 50 years of the most favorable farming weather since the eleventh century.

The economic and political impact, the report asserts, “is almost beyond comprehension" This is made crystal clear when one considers that the stability of most nations is indeed based upon a dependable source of food. Without that stability, the politics of food becomes the central issue of every government. Here are the major points made in the study: There is evidence that the main climatic shift over the last 10 years has been confined to the backwaters of the world where death through starvation and disease were already a common occurrence.

However, Russia has already felt the impact through two crippling failures of its wheat crop in the last five years. And even the United States and Canada have fallen victim to reduced crop yields by slowly deteriorating weather and shorter growing seasons.
The data collected by the CIA also shows that the needed monsoon rains will fall more frequently throughout much of Asia, jeopardizing the critical wheat crop in India and the rice harvests throughout Southeast Asia. The report pointed out that a change of just one degree in the mean global temperature can cause a drastic reduction in productivity of farmland.

http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/80491584/

Thanks to realscience for image capture

Snow

Can it be too cold to snow?

No.  That is a myth

Does it snow more because of global warming?

No.  It snows less when it is warmer

Isn't global warming causing more extreme snow?

No.  The most extreme snow has been in the last 50 years. .  The snow is always associated with cold temperatures, never warm temperatures.  The years a winter is warmer than normal, it snows less.

Except in high mountains regions, Greenland, Antarctica, where warmer oceans and global warming should cause an increase in snow amounts.

The missing NASA pages - Satellite measurements of the troposphere (updated Sept 9 2023)

http://wwwssl.msfc.nasa.gov/newhome/essd/essd_strat_temp.htm - this page has vanished, along with what it showed.
A  comparison of sat data and surface stations, with sat data showing no warming trend.   Sources listed below, containing enough information to figure it out.

Which I did on Sept 9 2023

https://web.archive.org/web/20010415202758/http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/MSU/msusci.html

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http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/newhome/essd/essd_strat_temp.htm

The accompanying commentary says:

"This chart shows the monthly temperature changes for the lower
troposphere - Earth's atmosphere from the surface to 8 km, or 5 miles up.
The temperature in this region is more strongly influenced by oceanic
activity, particularly the "El Niño" and "La Niña" phenomena, which
originate as changes in oceanic and atmospheric circulations in the tropical
Pacific Ocean. The overall trend in the lower tropospheric data is
approximately steady, at about +0.047oC per decade. Click on the charts to
get the numerical data.

"Surface thermometer measurements indicate that the temperature of the Earth
is warming, while the satellite data show no significant long-term trends.
These differences are the basis for discussions over the existence and
magnitude of any global warming the Earth may be experiencing as a result of
human activity. This page, updated monthly, will continue to provide the
latest temperature measurements of various layers of the Earth's atmosphere
from space."

Found here

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http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/essd06oct97_1... 

Global temperature measurements of the Earth's lower atmosphere obtained from satellites reveal no definitive warming trend over the past two decades. The slight trend that is in the data actually appears to be downward. The largest fluctuations in the satellite temperature data are not from any man-made activity, but from natural phenomena such as large volcanic eruptions from Mt. Pinatubo, and from El Nino.

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/essd/essd_strat_temp.ht... 

The figure above shows the monthly temperature deviations from a seasonally adjusted average for the lower stratosphere - Earth's atmosphere from 14 to 22 km (9 to 14 miles). Red is an increase in the temperature from the average, and blue is a decrease in temperature. The large increase in 1982 was caused by the volcanic eruption of El Chichon, and the increase in 1991 was caused by the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo in the Philippines. September 1996 was the coldest month on record for stratospheric temperature.

This chart shows the monthly temperature changes for the lower troposphere - Earth's atmosphere from the surface to 8 km, or 5 miles up. The temperature in this region is more strongly influenced by oceanic activity, particularly the "El Nino" and "La Nina" phenomena, which originate as changes in oceanic and atmospheric circulations in the tropical Pacific Ocean. Like the upper plot, the overall trend in the data is downward, about 0.06 degrees C per decade.

From here

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This is interesting...

A 1997 NASA site showing relatively even fluctuations to 2000 http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/essd06oct97_1.htm

With a link to a more recent image showing a drop in stratospheric temperature to 2000 http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/essd/essd_strat_temp.htm but which quickly redirects to a non-existent site with 'more information'.

And the graphs look nothing like the warming trend shown on the EPA site http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/recenttc.html.

From here

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It's been my experience is these discussions in the past that people get the
*impression*  such and such a study or finding is much more definitive than
it is, thanks to the utter incompetence and stupidity of the bourgeois
press. Today, thanks to the Internet, we often have access to the study
itself and even the underlying data, unfiltered by the extremely narrow
mental  bandwidth of bourgeois newspaper hacks and the actors who play
reporters on the TV. Thus, for example, in the past couple of years there
have been various accounts in the bourgeois press mistakenly claiming the
satellite data now confirm global warming, which is a result of the
reporters simply not understanding the explanations from the scientists
involved about the limitations of the data set.

What that data set shows is that the most significant thing to note about
global warming is that, if it IS  what is going on, it is occurring through
a mechanism we do not understand. The global warming hypothesis is based on
the greenhouse effect; more heat will be "trapped" in the lower atmosphere
by the increased concentration of CO2.

Yet the best data we have fails to reveal significant warming of the lower
atmosphere, *precisely* where the heat would need to be trapped to impact
the surface. But there isn't any need to take my word for it. The data is
at:

http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/newhome/essd/essd_strat_temp.htm

The accompanying commentary says:

"This chart shows the monthly temperature changes for the lower
troposphere - Earth's atmosphere from the surface to 8 km, or 5 miles up.
The temperature in this region is more strongly influenced by oceanic
activity, particularly the "El Niño" and "La Niña" phenomena, which
originate as changes in oceanic and atmospheric circulations in the tropical
Pacific Ocean. The overall trend in the lower tropospheric data is
approximately steady, at about +0.047oC per decade. Click on the charts to
get the numerical data.

"Surface thermometer measurements indicate that the temperature of the Earth
is warming, while the satellite data show no significant long-term trends.
These differences are the basis for discussions over the existence and
magnitude of any global warming the Earth may be experiencing as a result of
human activity. This page, updated monthly, will continue to provide the
latest temperature measurements of various layers of the Earth's atmosphere
from space."

I should note that over the years, the "trend" in this data set has been
both positive and negative. Right now it is slightly positive, due
especially to the prolonged "El Niño" of the late 90s. Before then it had
been just a touch negative. The current "La Niña," which is lasting longer
than predicted, and which is associated with lower atmospheric temperatures,
is pulling the average down as those temperatures get folded into the
calculations. Hence the statement that the data "show no significant
long-term trends."

The main NASA page on global climate change has this to say:

"Temperatures measured at the earth's surface have been increasing by about
0.1 oC per decade for twenty years. Computer models of global warming
suggest that the lower atmosphere should be warming up as well, but
temperature measurements from space show otherwise. There has been no
systematic warming in the troposphere for the past 19 years, and the
temperature of the stratosphere is actually decreasing. Does this mean that
global warming is a myth? Probably not. Instead, say researchers, it shows
that the temperature structure of the atmosphere is more complex than
previously thought."

From here

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This one is amazing.

Sir, - I have for some time been concerned at the way the media, and the BBC in particular, are reporting global warming as if it is a proven fact. Until recently I accepted their information without question, as I expect the majority of their listeners (and your readers) do. 

Not long ago, however, I decided to do a little research of my own. I discovered that the actual statistics covering global temperature are located on the Internet, at http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/essd/essd_strat_temp.htm 

Although there is some controversy about whether to use the record of surface temperature or the satellite and radio sonde balloon measurements, it is generally accepted that the second and third of these are considerably more accurate. 

Both of these: a) are in agreement with each other and b) show that there has been little or no warming over the last 20 years or so. The last 20 years are precisely the period during which the BBC and various other sections of the media have been telling us that there has been a considerable increase in world temperature. 

As I was concerned at the apparent inaccuracy of the BBC's information, and also at the way they appear to be basing their assumptions entirely on the surface record without even mentioning that other ways of measuring temperature exist - let alone that those ways actually might be more accurate - I e-mailed them asking for a comment. 

To date I have not even received the courtesy of an acknowledgement, which tends to lead me to infer that the BBC either do not wish to know the real truth, or that they have a political agenda of their own which entails concealing the correct statistics from their readers. 

ALAN WESSON 

Exeter. 

From here

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Haven't found an actual image yet, but it's out there.  

It's amazing how much effort NASA puts into making things vanish.

Taku and Lemon Creek Glacier mass balance

Doesn't that sound exciting?

Juneau Icefield Mass Balance Program 1946–2011

https://www.nichols.edu/departments/glacier/taku.html

Lemon creek glacier

Taku glacier

Called Lemon glacier on this wiki

Global and regional trends and something odd with July

Can anybody agree on anything when it comes to global warming?

Probably not.

Hottest July ever on record! Except it isn't.

It is absurd the lengths some people will go to, when trying to convince everybody "it's warmer than ever before since we started keeping records!"

The data does not support this at all, even the data from the people making the claim.

It's sickening.

False statements and errors in science articles about global warming

Because I run into them all the time, and might feel like noting some of them, maybe even correcting them.  Probably not, but here's the page for it.

Basic facts about global warming, starting with "What is it?"

"Global warming" is a term, made up of two words. the simplest definition as it is commonly used, might be - "earth getting warmer because people burning fuels".  That is not the definition, but that's how many people think of it.

NASA - global warming vs climate change - Definitions

Global warming: the increase in Earth’s average surface temperature due to rising levels of greenhouse gases.

Climate change: a long-term change in the Earth’s climate, or of a region on Earth.

Charney adopted Broecker's usage. When referring to surface temperature change, Charney used "global warming." When discussing the many other changes that would be induced by increasing carbon dioxide, Charney used "climate change."

Within scientific journals, this is still how the two terms are used. Global warming refers to surface temperature increases, while climate change includes global warming and everything else that increasing greenhouse gas amounts will affect.

NOAA - definition - Global warming- A theory that increased concentrations of greenhouse gases are causing an elevation in the Earth's surface temperature.

AMS  Glossary of Meteorology - no entry for the term, closet to it might be Anthropogenic climate change, but that says nothing about global warming.

Another weather glossary, nothing for global warming

It has various definitions, depending on who you ask, or it doesn't appear at all. And while it has an entire Wikipedia article, it's not much help, since it doesn't include the information shown above, from NASA and NOAA.  The Wikipedia rticle doesn't even have the word "theory" in the entire article, and sources for the article.  Which is really nuts.

It really seems  it still depends on who you listen to, as to what it might actually mean.  Which is crazy.

Because it "means different things" to different people, using the term is a real pain in the behind in discussions, arguments and fights over it.

You might think something this important would be easy to find, clearly defined and explained, but you would be wrong.  OK except for this blog entry, which is clear and direct about it.

But this blog is not listed on Googles search engine.  Which is hilarious.